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Posted - 2014.11.16 00:52:35 -
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Yeah, no. POSs in frigate only wormholes would be a bit OP. First person inside can never be evicted by the hordes of blappable Enyos which would wash up ineffectually on the POS defences (namely, a DG Large with 40 small blasters and 10 DG web batteries).
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Posted - 2014.11.18 01:13:20 -
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See, this is what we need in the debate about these holes.
1) I agree the W-R C6 effect is dumb. Dumb, dumb, dumbitty-dumb. But Fozzie is lazy and is being slab-handed here, thinking no one will use frig holes unless they have overblown reasons to do so.
Like I said, i would be happy to at least see C6 level effects for all these holes. I've been playing around on PYFA - C6 Cataclysmics do not make inquisitor/navitas OP; RR tank goes up to double, and capacitor is a breeze, but in a frig fight positioning is key for these little ships, so it's really, really easy to get wrong-footed with frig logi.
C6 Pulsar is of course a bit ridiculous for ASB Hawks, but as anyone knows who has visited lowsec in the past 2 years, ASB hawks in k-space can be ridiculous enough as it is. people clue in fairly quickly, and don't engage. Succubi in C6 Pulsar as pretty sweet. C6 BH it's even better, obviously, just like an AB Dramiel. Worms do well in everything bar the C6 W-R, as you'd expect.
Destroyer wise, C6 Pulsar, Magnetar, Cataclysmic and Black Hole favour the usual suspects, ie; the good destroyers. The only dessie worth mentioning as being advantageous beyond the obvious is the Dragoon, for Pulsars, as it's as close as you'll get to a Bhaalgorn without dumping 5x the ISK on a Cruor.
The bad destroyers are just going to be even worse in C6 W-R. Corax? I can't even laugh, it's so pathetic.
2) Well, this again boils down to spider-tanking RR Af's or bringing logi frigates. The only advantage of the C6 W-R effect over anything else is the sig radius bonus to assist in frigates not being alpha'd off the field by the sentry towers if they don't get transversal up fast enough. Since that's entirely down to client lag while trying to load the nebulae, well, not much to be done about that.
But you are right - there's no point putting ice in these holes. You can't even get anything that can mine the ice. So either a new ice mining frigate, or tweaking the mackinaw mass to let it in.
3) Agree. If you want to live like a hobo, you can do it.
4) I don't particularly see this as a problem. I wanted to find a C4 with X877-N766/C247 Wolf Rayet to move into when the C4's were getting a second static added. So we seeded alts into 6 holes which had X877, C247 or N766's, over the four weeks leading up to Hyperion, and we waited. Eventually we realised we missed the random number generator, so settled for a no-effect X+N hole. My point is, its hard to find the unicorn holes as it is now, so people have a marketplace for this, and
people pay ISK to oother people to be shown in to the hole they want. it will be the same with these systems.
5) It's irrelevant reducing the packaged size of a strat cruiser unless the cargo bay can get over 5,000m3 - you can't launch a ship from a fleet hangar. So, unless you can somehow get 5,000m into a frigate or dessie hull, no one's bringing anything bigger in anyway. FYI, cargo dragoon is 1350m3.
It is worth having a debate over whether the mining barges should be as big as they are, mostly around C1 access. It is a bit odd that Exhumers can't fit into a C1 hole. In order to get a barge of any kind through a frig hole we would need a fair bit of surgery on the mass. It's a bit limited, and odd, that HICs can squeeze through, though that'd cool anyway....
I expect that Fozzie can try his roleplay hat on and ORE can come up with a mining destroyer capable of chipping away at blocks of ice. Maybe call it the Narwhal.
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